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SBCVoices and the Calvinist/Arminian Debate

Posted by fallenpastor | Posted in calvin, southern baptist, theology | Posted on 24-05-2012

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SBCVoices and the Calvinist/Arminian Debate

My blog is linked to SBC Voices. I love that site. My blog gets a lot of hits from there and I appre­ci­ate it.

I also must let you know that there is a ter­ri­ble wal­low­ing of opin­ion between Calvin­ist vs. Armin­ian voices over there. It’s kind of noisy. When I was in sem­i­nary at the flag­ship school of the South­ern Bap­tist Con­ven­tion, that stuff really meant a lot to me. I was a T-​Shirt wear­ing, dyed in the wool Calvinist.

But I wasn’t when I got there. I had a friend talk me into it. His ideas and per­sua­sions were on point. So were my professors.

Since then, I’ve com­mit­ted adul­tery and fallen from min­istry. I’ve had the time to read mes­sage board after mes­sage board of angry Calvin­ists and Armini­ans. Peo­ple telling me why I or some­one else was wrong. Oh my, it gets really weird. After my fall from min­istry, I just don’t care about which theologian’s side I’m on any­more. (I can hear you: Yes, but if we don’t have the­ol­ogy, we won’t know what we believe! I’m not talk­ing about doing away with the­ol­ogy, I’m talk­ing about thump­ing our chests in the online world over who our the­o­log­i­cal heroes are and why we’re right.)

I remem­ber in my days as a hard core Calvin­ist, I went to stay with my brother in law who was a so-​so Armin­ian. He had a tote bag that had on the side, “Whoso­ever will may come.” It ticked me off. Because I was con­vinced who­ever designed it and had under­lined the word “whoso­ever” was anti-​Calvin. I wanted to secretly take it away and burn it.

Now, I know, that’s just plain Scrip­ture. Whoso­ever will may come. I’m still a sov­er­eign­tist. I can’t explain to you why I com­mit­ted adul­tery except I’m a sin­ner. I can’t explain why David com­mit­ted adul­tery. He was a sin­ner. We call Jesus the Son of David. That’s crazy.

The worst thing we can do is keep argu­ing in front of peo­ple about why we think we’re right. The best thing we can do is go hold high the supremacy of God in the uni­verse and His sav­ing power. Hide behind your inter­net anonymity if you want and argue the Canons of Dort. If it makes you happy, go for it. But if you haven’t stood in the mid­dle of the mall and asked some­one about their sal­va­tion, your the­ol­ogy is bleak.

I’ve fallen a long way. A long way. And a lot of peo­ple hate me for it. But I can do one thing right. I can cast aside my ultra-​superior-​arrogant love for a the­o­log­i­cal sys­tem and begin to focus on Christ and those He came to save. I can real­ize that there are mil­lions out there who he would iden­tify with who would look noth­ing like me and go tell them about the good news. I can love those who have fallen, those who are dif­fer­ent, those who need help and those who are gen­er­ally ignored by the church.

Every ten min­utes I spend writ­ing or read­ing on a Calvinistic/​non-​Calvinistic mes­sage board is ten min­utes I could have told some­one about the life chang­ing expe­ri­ence Christ could give them. (By the way, the blog posts are usu­ally great, it’s delv­ing into the board posts that makes you want to put your waders on.) It has noth­ing to do with Jacob Arminius or John Calvin. It has every­thing to do with Jesus Christ.

So, I pro­pose leav­ing the argu­ments to sweat and cigar smoke filled rooms where peo­ple can argue all day with­out the pass­ing, imma­ture believer can drop by and not quite under­stand what is going on. Either that or we may have to get Henry Kissinger involved. Worse, we may all have to go out and wit­ness together. That is if we can keep from wit­ness­ing to each other…

My blog is linked to SBC Voices. I love that site. My blog gets a lot of hits from there and I appreciate it.

I also must let you know that there is a terrible wallowing of opinion between Calvinist vs. Arminian voices over there. It’s kind of noisy. When I was in seminary at the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention, that stuff really meant a lot to me. I was a T-Shirt wearing, dyed in the wool Calvinist.

But I wasn’t when I got there. I had a friend talk me into it. His ideas and persuasions were on point. So were my professors.

Since then, I’ve committed adultery and fallen from ministry. I’ve had the time to read message board after message board of angry Calvinists and Arminians. People telling me why I or someone else was wrong. Oh my, it gets really weird. After my fall from ministry, I just don’t care about which theologian’s side I’m on anymore. (I can hear you: Yes, but if we don’t have theology, we won’t know what we believe! I’m not talking about doing away with theology, I’m talking about thumping our chests in the online world over who our theological heroes are and why we’re right.)

I remember in my days as a hard core Calvinist, I went to stay with my brother in law who was a so-so Arminian. He had a tote bag that had on the side, “Whosoever will may come.” It ticked me off. Because I was convinced whoever designed it and had underlined the word “whosoever” was anti-Calvin. I wanted to secretly take it away and burn it.

Now, I know, that’s just plain Scripture. Whosoever will may come. I’m still a sovereigntist. I can’t explain to you why I committed adultery except I’m a sinner. I can’t explain why David committed adultery. He was a sinner. We call Jesus the Son of David. That’s crazy.

The worst thing we can do is keep arguing in front of people about why we think we’re right. The best thing we can do is go hold high the supremacy of God in the universe and His saving power. Hide behind your internet anonymity if you want and argue the Canons of Dort. If it makes you happy, go for it. But if you haven’t stood in the middle of the mall and asked someone about their salvation, your theology is bleak.

I’ve fallen a long way. A long way. And a lot of people hate me for it. But I can do one thing right. I can cast aside my ultra-superior-arrogant love for a theological system and begin to focus on Christ and those He came to save. I can realize that there are millions out there who he would identify with who would look nothing like me and go tell them about the good news. I can love those who have fallen, those who are different, those who need help and those who are generally ignored by the church.

Every ten minutes I spend writing or reading on a Calvinistic/non-Calvinistic message board is ten minutes I could have told someone about the life changing experience Christ could give them. (By the way, the blog posts are usually great, it’s delving into the board posts that makes you want to put your waders on.) It has nothing to do with Jacob Arminius or John Calvin. It has everything to do with Jesus Christ.

So, I propose leaving the arguments to sweat and cigar smoke filled rooms where people can argue all day without the passing, immature believer can drop by and not quite understand what is going on. Either that or we may have to get Henry Kissinger involved. Worse, we may all have to go out and witness together. That is if we can keep from witnessing to each other…

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