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“Don’t Run In God’s House”: Church Cliches, Part III

Posted by Ray Carroll | Posted in belief, bible, Christ, Christianity, church, cliches, seminary, sovereignty | Posted on 31-08-2012

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"Don't Run In God's House": Church Cliches, Part III

I was dri­ving around with my six-​year-​old step-​daughter Leslie the other day. She likes to talk, a lot. She espe­cially likes to make obser­va­tions about every­thing she sees. We live in a town that I usu­ally describe this way: “In this town, you can throw a rock in the air and either hit a church or a Chi­nese restau­rant.

Any­way, Leslie says, “There’s a lot of churches here.

I said, “That’s for sure.

She said, “God sure has a lot of houses.

When I pas­tored, the phrase “God’s house” used to bother me. You usu­ally hear it when a kid is run­ning through the church and an older mem­ber yells out, “No run­ning in God’s house!” Or these days, some­one will post a Face­book sta­tus, “Great to be in the house of God today.

So is there a prob­lem with the phrase? Well, it’s cliché, but is it unscrip­tural? Let’s take a look.

Is there a problem?

I found a great arti­cle online writ­ten by Peter Ditzel called “Are You Meet­ing in God’s House? He takes a walk through Scrip­ture and deals with the term very well in both tes­ta­ments. I don’t agree with every exact inter­pre­ta­tion, but heck, he wrote a four page deal on it. His analy­sis is very good and I com­mend his work to you, espe­cially since I’m rely­ing on his arti­cle to do all the heavy lift­ing on this point.

The bot­tom line of his arti­cle is that “house of God” is a bib­li­cal term used to refer to the taber­na­cle or tem­ple used by the Jews. Chris­tians aren’t to use it because we are tech­ni­cally the house of God as an assem­bly of believ­ers. Seri­ously, go read it. Learn some­thing. My hor­ri­ble two sen­tence sum­ma­tion doesn’t do him justice.

The rea­son I always had a prob­lem with the term was for two rea­sons. One, Acts 7:48 where Luke para­phrases the Old Tes­ta­ment, “Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says.” (ESV) God just doesn’t live any­where. He dwells every­where. Using the term, “God’s house” is kind of a slap in the face to God’s omnipresence.

It was used in a spe­cial way in the Old Tes­ta­ment for the dwelling place of His glory, but we have a new covenant.

Sec­ond, as a sold out sov­er­eign­tist, I just really don’t like the idea of stuff­ing God in a build­ing. By the way, rab­bit trail here. I hate, hate, hate, hate the cliché, “We can’t put God in a box.” Man I hate that. It is so overused and so 1980. Maybe I should blog about that one. But I bet a lot of the peo­ple who use that term also say, “God’s house.” You don’t want to put Him in a box, but you want to stuff Him in a building.

Read more after the jump.

Why it might be wrong

Because God really is every­where. He’s not con­fined to one place. Hey, I’m about to blow your mind with some expen­sive sem­i­nary learn­ing. If you don’t think you can han­dle it, click on over to Yahoo! Games (not a paid endorse­ment) and have some fun. I sug­gest crib­bage or canasta. If you have lived over thirty years of life and don’t know how to play crib­bage or canasta, then you should be shipped off to a silo in North Dakota until you do.

You’ve been warned. Any­way, when I went to sem­i­nary, I learned that God is not only not con­fined to space, He’s not con­fined to time either. Whoa. Seri­ously, worry warts, that’s why Jesus said not to worry about tomor­row. Because God is already there. He exists in present, past and future, simul­ta­ne­ously. He’s got tomor­row and He’s got it taken care of like He wants it taken care of. Trust Him.

Here, check this page out for the attrib­utes of God and scroll down to the bot­tom. Bet­ter yet, go pick up Wayne Grudem’s sys­tem­atic the­ol­ogy and get to read­ing. You’ll be a bet­ter per­son for it.

Why it might be okay

Okay, hon­estly, I seem against call­ing a church “God’s house.” That seems pretty obvi­ous. I’m about as objec­tive about this as I am when my Razor­backs play LSU. Like I’m sit­ting there say­ing, “Yeah, those LSU fans and play­ers are pretty classy.” (Hon­est apolo­gies to the many LSU fans who read my blog and are really great people.)

But some peo­ple will say, “Lighten up, dude! It’s just a name we have for church! Get a grip! It’s been in our Chris­t­ian lan­guage usage for decades. Peo­ple know the dif­fer­ence between a place where God dwells and a build­ing. We all know that God really doesn’t live there.

I’m sure that’s right. Let me lighten up for a minute. Yeah, I see that point. If you’re call­ing it “God’s house” yet explain­ing the point to your young­ster that God doesn’t really live there, stay there, pay rent and what­ever, I guess you’re doing well. But I’d rather see peo­ple grasp the under­stand­ing that we are a church uni­ver­sal. We are a peo­ple who gather together and God is with us always. He never leaves us, for­sakes us, or stops being there.

I fear that many of our mem­bers feel that we go to church on Sun­day to con­sume God. He’s in that build­ing there that we built. So let’s go “see God” like we go see the lion at the zoo. And for the rest of the week, we com­part­men­tal­ize our lives and leave God out of it because He’s not there. He’s at some build­ing across town that we don’t have to worry about until we get there on Sunday.

Guess what? I do it too. At times in my life, I have not remem­bered that God is right there, with me. All the time. When I’m depressed, He’s there. When I’m sin­ning, He’s there. When I need a friend, he’s there. When I’m act­ing like a fool, He’s there.

He is the ever present God who will never, ever leave us. David got it when he wrote Psalm 139:

O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
 You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
 you dis­cern my thoughts from afar.
 You search out my path and my lying down
 and are acquainted with all my ways.
 Even before a word is on my tongue,
 behold, O LORD, you know it alto­gether.
 You hem me in, behind and before,
 and lay your hand upon me.
 Such knowl­edge is too won­der­ful for me;
 it is high; I can­not attain it.
(Psalm 139:1 – 6 ESV)

That’s the God I love. And I wouldn’t want Him any other way.

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Ray Car­roll is author of “Fallen Pas­tor: Find­ing Restora­tion in a Bro­ken World.” It is avail­able on Ama­zon Kin­dle and paperback.

I was driving around with my six-year-old step-daughter Leslie the other day. She likes to talk, a lot. She especially likes to make observations about everything she sees. We live in a  town that I usually describe this way: “In this town, you can throw a rock in the air and either hit a church or a Chinese restaurant.

Anyway, Leslie says, “There’s a lot of churches here.

I said, “That’s for sure.

She said, “God sure has a lot of houses.

When I pastored, the phrase “God’s house” used to bother me. You usually hear it when a kid is running through the church and an older member yells out, “No running in God’s house!” Or these days, someone will post a Facebook status, “Great to be in the house of God today.

So is there a problem with the phrase? Well, it’s cliche, but is it unscriptural? Let’s take a look.

Is there a problem?

I found a great article online written by Peter Ditzel called “Are You Meeting in God’s House? He takes a walk through Scripture and deals with the term very well in both testaments. I don’t agree with every exact interpretation, but heck, he wrote a four page deal on it. His analysis is very good and I commend his work to you, especially since I’m relying on his article to do all the heavy lifting on this point.

The bottom line of his article is that “house of God” is a biblical term used to refer to the tabernacle or temple used by the Jews. Christians aren’t to use it because we are technically the house of God as an assembly of believers. Seriously, go read it. Learn something. My horrible two sentence summation doesn’t do him justice.

The reason I always had a problem with the term was for two reasons. One, Acts 7:48 where Luke paraphrases the Old Testament, “Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says.” (ESV) God just doesn’t live anywhere. He dwells everywhere. Using the term, “God’s house” is kind of a slap in the face to God’s omnipresence.

It was used in a special way in the Old Testament for the dwelling place of His glory, but we have a new covenant.

Second, as a sold out sovereigntist, I just really don’t like the idea of stuffing God in a building. By the way, rabbit trail here. I hate, hate, hate, hate the cliche, “We can’t put God in a box.” Man I hate that. It is so overused and so 1980. Maybe I should blog about that one. But I bet a lot of the people who use that term also say, “God’s house.” You don’t want to put Him in a box, but you want to stuff Him in a building.

Read more after the jump.

Why it might be wrong

Because God really is everywhere. He’s not confined to one place. Hey, I’m about to blow your mind with some expensive seminary learning. If you don’t think you can handle it, click on over to Yahoo! Games (not a paid endorsement) and have some fun. I suggest cribbage or canasta. If you have lived over thirty years of life and don’t know how to play cribbage or canasta, then you should be shipped off to a silo in North Dakota until you do.

You’ve been warned. Anyway, when I went to seminary, I learned that God is not only not confined to space, He’s not confined to time either. Whoa. Seriously, worry warts, that’s why Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow. Because God is already there. He exists in present, past and future, simultaneously. He’s got tomorrow and He’s got it taken care of like He wants it taken care of. Trust Him.

Here, check this page out for the attributes of God and scroll down to the bottom. Better yet, go pick up Wayne Grudem’s systematic theology and get to reading. You’ll be a better person for it.

Why it might be okay

Okay, honestly, I seem against calling a church “God’s house.” That seems pretty obvious. I’m about as objective about this as I am when my Razorbacks play LSU. Like I’m sitting there saying, “Yeah, those LSU fans and players are pretty classy.” (Honest apologies to the many LSU fans who read my blog and are really great people.)

But some people will say, “Lighten up, dude! It’s just a name we have for church! Get a grip! It’s been in our Christian language usage for decades. People know the difference between a place where God dwells and a building. We all know that God really doesn’t live there.

I’m sure that’s right. Let me lighten up for a minute. Yeah, I see that point. If you’re calling it “God’s house” yet explaining the point to your youngster that God doesn’t really live there, stay there, pay rent and whatever, I guess you’re doing well. But I’d rather see people grasp the understanding that we are a church universal. We are a people who gather together and God is with us always. He never leaves us, forsakes us, or stops being there.

I fear that many of our members feel that we go to church on Sunday to consume God. He’s in that building there that we built. So let’s go “see God” like we go see the lion at the zoo. And for the rest of the week, we compartmentalize our lives and leave God out of it because He’s not there. He’s at some building across town that we don’t have to worry about until we get there on Sunday.

Guess what? I do it too. At times in my life, I have not remembered that God is right there, with me. All the time. When I’m depressed, He’s there. When I’m sinning, He’s there. When I need a friend, he’s there. When I’m acting like a fool, He’s there.

He is the ever present God who will never, ever leave us. David got it when he wrote Psalm 139:

O LORD, you have searched me and known me!
    You know when I sit down and when I rise up;
        you discern my thoughts from afar.
    You search out my path and my lying down
        and are acquainted with all my ways.
    Even before a word is on my tongue,
        behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
    You hem me in, behind and before,
        and lay your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
        it is high; I cannot attain it.
(Psalm 139:1-6 ESV)

That’s the God I love. And I wouldn’t want Him any other way.

___________________________

Ray Carroll is author of “Fallen Pastor: Finding Restoration in a Broken World.” It is available on Amazon Kindle and paperback.

Comments (3)

You are theologically correct. However, I believe some people (including me) would use the term not to describe where God lives exclusively (as opposed to being “everywhere” as you point out), but as a unique place where God is especially hallowed or honored. In that sense, it is sanctified and set apart for God’s purpose (much like the OT temple).

A group of Christians can meet and “have church” anywhere, including Denny’s. Yet few of us would consider Denny’s as hallowed ground, set apart by God for God. I’ve known Bible studies that met in a bar before it opened. That’s all great for reaching people, but I wouldn’t consider it hallowed ground.

Church buildings or “houses of God” aren’t even scriptural, as you know. They arose during the years of the early church as worshipers moved from the synagogues where they became increasingly unwelcome, to homes, and eventually began building buildings. Somewhere down the line it seems, folks decided that these buildings for corporate worship ought to take on a sense of godliness, cathedrals would be the extreme example.

If you think about it, many “church” practices are not necessarily referenced in Scripture. Church membership for example. And church membership classes. Where does it say believers are to “join” a church? A church I’ve attended recently has implemented a “Baptism Class” that is mandatory to be baptized… I don’t see that anywhere in Scripture. On the contrary, people were typically baptized immediately.

I digress. Yes, God is everywhere. We can worship, pray, and preach anywhere we want. Yet it IS scriptural for Christians to identify themselves as a fellowship (ie., the church at Ephesus, Corinth, etc.). If buildings result in that process, so be it. We like to believe that God is behind such efforts and the result is, therefore, sanctified. Which is one reason why many churches won’t allow their buildings to be used for secular events, an issue that could be endlessly debated.

My point is this. If we are meeting for worship in a home, that is fine. If we are going to build a building, I believe every part of that effort and its use should honor God, even though he is “everywhere.” “No running in God’s house!” might be extreme to be sure, but so might building buildings that cost millions of dollars and have all of the comforts we expect. We in the church continue to take what was intended for good and going overboard with it, or perverting it altogether. Been doing it for a couple thousand years.

Great stuff as always, friend. I agree wholeheartedly. Calling it “God’s house” is one of those things where I’m like, “Do most people really mean harm?” No. Are there bigger fish to fry? Yep. It’s just good to remind our kids and people that we don’t go visit God on Sunday.

Hope you’re well, my friend.

I can certainly understand your point. It’s important to remember that God is everywhere, everyday, in everything to do, and we don’t just reserve him for Sunday in limited quantities.

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