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Gay Marriage, the Church, and the Jesus Response

Posted by Ray Carroll | Posted in belief, bitterness, boundaries, brokenness, Christ, church, church members, community, compassion, current events, divisiveness, encouragement, gay marriage, grace, hate, hatred, homosexuality, judgment, love, religion, repentance, salvation, scripture, self-righteousness | Posted on 27-03-2013

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Gay Marriage, the Church, and the Jesus Response

I was so thank­ful yes­ter­day to get a Face­book inbox mes­sage from a friend who was con­cerned about the cur­rent argu­ment in Amer­ica over gay mar­riage. Like many Chris­tians, she was con­cerned about the moral fail­ure of the coun­try. She had been watch­ing Face­book and so have I. I too, have seen many com­ments like, “Why don’t peo­ple see what Scrip­ture says?”

I’ll be hon­est. I don’t watch tele­vi­sion news. For a good rea­son. It’s only pur­pose seems to be to rile peo­ple up over things that are insignif­i­cant. You get stressed out. I men­tioned in an online mag­a­zine recently how watch­ing TV news in a con­stant flow caused my mother anxiety.

She said she read my blog occa­sion­ally and never saw me write any­thing about the issue. I don’t. My blog is about fallen

[cap­tion id=“attachment_2255” align=“alignright” width=“300”]Pic courtesy of PBS Pic cour­tesy of PBS[/caption]

pas­tors, mostly. Then, I write about issues sec­ondary to that. Then, after that, I write about what tick­les my fancy. I don’t avoid the big issues. I’ve writ­ten about big issues before, but they’re just not on the radar of what I do.

My response to her was prob­a­bly not what she expected, but I hope it was bib­li­cal. (She did thank me for the ser­mon :)) I want to post it here then add some com­ments after. Here it is, verbatim:

Here is what I would say. And I pray it’s the bib­li­cal thing, because any response of my own would be wrong.

I’d take it back to the apos­tle Paul who wrote to a church that was prob­a­bly going through more moral decay than we are, if you can imag­ine. In his time, it wasn’t just the cul­ture, it was mem­bers of the church who were declin­ing in moral­ity. Mem­bers of the church were going up to the pagan tem­ple and sleep­ing with tem­ple prostitutes.

Paul was sur­rounded by a pagan Roman cul­ture that was filled with vio­lence, sex, child molesta­tion, and hedo­nism — and all of it was legal. But Paul didn’t write against the evil around him in the world. He wrote about the sin within the church. He says some­thing inter­est­ing in 1 Corinthi­ans 5:

Please take time to read more impor­tant stuff after the jump:

For what have I to do with judg­ing out­siders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.

seekPaul tells the church that the church should be watch­ing out for immoral­ity within it, not out­side of it. There’s plenty of immoral­ity within to watch out for. He was right. Today, there is sex­ual immoral­ity, pornog­ra­phy, adul­tery, glut­tony, and all kinds of sin within our own four walls — I should know. We have our own prob­lems to attend to. God will take care of the prob­lems outside.

And on that issue — does that mean we aren’t to care about the world we live in? Of course not. In John 16:33, Jesus said:

“I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribu­la­tion. But take heart; I have over­come the world.”

If the world will change, it will be because of Christ and the Gospel. It won’t be because Chris­tians get on Face­book and com­plain. It will be because we care about peo­ple in this world, show the love and com­pas­sion of Christ to those in this world who are not like us, those who are out­right sin­ners, rejected and thrown away by 99% of most churches.

Does that mean we accept all types of sin? Nope. But we love them and let God work on them.

Does it hurt to call a Con­gress­man or Sen­a­tor when a bill comes up that we don’t like or want to sup­port? No, we should. We should be good cit­i­zens. But we should be even bet­ter cit­i­zens of heaven. Lov­ing the rejected.

Remem­ber that Christ didn’t min­is­ter to those who were reli­gious. He went first to the out­cast, the ill, the worst sin­ners in the bunch. Who would reli­gious peo­ple see those peo­ple as today? I think it’s some­thing to think about.

One more thing that I think is impor­tant. I think it’s easy to get worked up on one issue today. I don’t think gay mar­riage or any one other issue is going to ruin our coun­try. Sin has been around since the fall of man. There is good news — that’s what Res­ur­rec­tion Sun­day is about. We aren’t fight­ing a los­ing bat­tle, we are in a win­ning one. Because of Christ, all is won for those who believe. There is always vic­tory and he has given it to us.

Be con­fi­dent in the future of the world that God has cre­ated. Be joy­ous in this life and know that Christ was vic­to­ri­ous at the cross and con­tin­ues to be vic­to­ri­ous today.

That’s it. But I want to add a cou­ple of things.

outcastsIt’s been a while since I pas­tored. If I was still the same man I was before I com­mit­ted adul­tery, I think I’d prob­a­bly be in the pul­pit speak­ing a dif­fer­ent mes­sage. And I think I would have been wrong. Have I gone into a grey area? No, I don’t think so.

Here is what has changed. I’ve seen what Christ did when he came to us. He didn’t waste his time with the reli­gious peo­ple of the day. He went straight for the out­casts. Those who knew they needed some­thing to hap­pen in their lives. And he made it hap­pen. They were bro­ken peo­ple and they were ready to lis­ten. Go check it out. Any story where Christ saved some­one. Any story in Acts where peo­ple were saved after Christ ascended. Those peo­ple were bro­ken. Their sins weren’t called out one by one, they just wanted to know God and they were called upon to repent.

What I see today is a church that is the reli­gious right of Jesus’ day. Christ cor­rected those peo­ple. He inter­acted with the reli­gious peo­ple, but he mostly told them that their hearts weren’t right. He told them that they needed inter­nal cleans­ing. Then, he spent no more time with them and turned his atten­tion to the peo­ple the reli­gious crowd wanted noth­ing to do with.

Ask your­self — who are the peo­ple most main­line denom­i­na­tions want noth­ing to do with? That’s an easy answer. Who isn’t vis­it­ing your church? Bik­ers, ex-​cons, homo­sex­u­als, thieves, adul­ter­ers, drug addicts, sin­gle par­ents with bratty chil­dren, fallen pas­tors, peo­ple with tat­toos all over their bod­ies, alco­holics, peo­ple who have been mar­ried three or more times, sui­ci­dal peo­ple, those who have severe depres­sion, those with severe finan­cial dif­fi­culty, and if you’re in a white church — African-​Americans, Lati­nos, or any other eth­nic group.

I am afraid that our churches have become safe-​havens for the self-​righteous.

Our imme­di­ate response is, “Well, those peo­ple need to repent before they come to Christ.” Friends, our job isn’t the same job as God. God’s job is the work of sal­va­tion. Ours is to love and speak truth and show com­pas­sion. Sal­va­tion is entirely the work of God.

If we really, really believe that God can change a per­son who is not like us, then we will wel­come them into our com­mu­nity of faith and treat them like Christ treated them. With love and com­pas­sion. When we rail against any peo­ple group with hatred, we’ve lost them. I’m not say­ing there isn’t sin in this world. There is. But God is judge of what is right. And He is the one who changes hearts.

Our job? Love. Embrace those in this world. Give them space, shel­ter, love, empa­thy and maybe for the first time a friendsteps who knows Jesus Christ.

Lis­ten. Go ahead and do your Good Fri­day recon­struc­tion of Jesus on the cross. Have some forty year old guy stand on some wooden plat­form for six hours this week. Peo­ple will drive by on their way home from work, after 40 hours of tor­ture, look up and say, “What in the heck are those peo­ple doing?” There’s no mes­sage for them there. They are look­ing for authen­tic­ity. They want peo­ple who just love them for who they are.

That’s what Christ did. He loved peo­ple for who they were. That’s what we are sup­posed to do. Let God sort it out after that. Our job isn’t to say, “Well, I don’t think that per­son will fit in here. They don’t dress well, they have per­sonal issues, they sure are strange.” Nope.

You know what hap­pened when Christ loved peo­ple? They responded with repen­tance. He didn’t excuse sin. But he showed them love beyond bor­ders. He showed them some­thing the reli­gious estab­lish­ment of the day wasn’t giv­ing them. I say that’s what’s going on in the major­ity of churches today. I pray it isn’t so. But I believe it is.

We are to love. Plain and sim­ple. Get over our­selves. Start lov­ing like Christ did and then turn any­one who comes over to Him and see the mir­a­cle He can do.

This is what makes me want to start a church in my own county where any­one who walks through the door is accepted, loved and will be treated kindly. Any­one can come in, know they don’t have to give money, know they will hear the good news, and know that there is hope. May the com­pas­sion­ate Christ res­onate dur­ing this Res­ur­rec­tion week.

I was so thankful yesterday to get a Facebook inbox message from a friend who was concerned about the current argument in America over gay marriage. Like many Christians, she was concerned about the moral failure of the country. She had been watching Facebook and so have I. I too, have seen many comments like, “Why don’t people see what Scripture says?”

I’ll be honest. I don’t watch television news. For a good reason. It’s only purpose seems to be to rile people up over things that are insignificant. You get stressed out. I mentioned in an online magazine recently how watching TV news in a constant flow caused my mother anxiety.

She said she read my blog occasionally and never saw me write anything about the issue. I don’t. My blog is about fallen

Pic courtesy of PBS

Pic courtesy of PBS

pastors, mostly. Then, I write about issues secondary to that. Then, after that, I write about what tickles my fancy. I don’t avoid the big issues. I’ve written about big issues before, but they’re just not on the radar of what I do.

My response to her was probably not what she expected, but I hope it was biblical. (She did thank me for the sermon :)) I want to post it here then add some comments after. Here it is, verbatim:

Here is what I would say. And I pray it’s the biblical thing, because any response of my own would be wrong.

I’d take it back to the apostle Paul who wrote to a church that was probably going through more moral decay than we are, if you can imagine. In his time, it wasn’t just the culture, it was members of the church who were declining in morality. Members of the church were going up to the pagan temple and sleeping with temple prostitutes.

Paul was surrounded by a pagan Roman culture that was filled with violence, sex, child molestation, and hedonism – and all of it was legal. But Paul didn’t write against the evil around him in the world. He wrote about the sin within the church. He says something interesting in 1 Corinthians 5:

Please take time to read more important stuff after the jump:

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.

seekPaul tells the church that the church should be watching out for immorality within it, not outside of it. There’s plenty of immorality within to watch out for. He was right. Today, there is sexual immorality, pornography, adultery, gluttony, and all kinds of sin within our own four walls – I should know. We have our own problems to attend to. God will take care of the problems outside.

And on that issue – does that mean we aren’t to care about the world we live in? Of course not. In John 16:33, Jesus said:

“I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

If the world will change, it will be because of Christ and the Gospel. It won’t be because Christians get on Facebook and complain. It will be because we care about people in this world, show the love and compassion of Christ to those in this world who are not like us, those who are outright sinners, rejected and thrown away by 99% of most churches.

Does that mean we accept all types of sin? Nope. But we love them and let God work on them.

Does it hurt to call a Congressman or Senator when a bill comes up that we don’t like or want to support? No, we should. We should be good citizens. But we should be even better citizens of heaven. Loving the rejected.

Remember that Christ didn’t minister to those who were religious. He went first to the outcast, the ill, the worst sinners in the bunch. Who would religious people see those people as today? I think it’s something to think about.

One more thing that I think is important. I think it’s easy to get worked up on one issue today. I don’t think gay marriage or any one other issue is going to ruin our country. Sin has been around since the fall of man. There is good news – that’s what Resurrection Sunday is about. We aren’t fighting a losing battle, we are in a winning one. Because of Christ, all is won for those who believe. There is always victory and he has given it to us.

Be confident in the future of the world that God has created. Be joyous in this life and know that Christ was victorious at the cross and continues to be victorious today.

That’s it. But I want to add a couple of things.

outcastsIt’s been a while since I pastored. If I was still the same man I was before I committed adultery, I think I’d probably be in the pulpit speaking a different message. And I think I would have been wrong. Have I gone into a grey area? No, I don’t think so.

Here is what has changed. I’ve seen what Christ did when he came to us. He didn’t waste his time with the religious people of the day. He went straight for the outcasts. Those who knew they needed something to happen in their lives. And he made it happen. They were broken people and they were ready to listen. Go check it out. Any story where Christ saved someone. Any story in Acts where people were saved after Christ ascended. Those people were broken. Their sins weren’t called out one by one, they just wanted to know God and they were called upon to repent.

What I see today is a church that is the religious right of Jesus’ day. Christ corrected those people. He interacted with the religious people, but he mostly told them that their hearts weren’t right. He told them that they needed internal cleansing. Then, he spent no more time with them and turned his attention to the people the religious crowd wanted nothing to do with.

Ask yourself – who are the people most mainline denominations want nothing to do with? That’s an easy answer. Who isn’t visiting your church? Bikers, ex-cons, homosexuals, thieves, adulterers, drug addicts, single parents with bratty children, fallen pastors, people with tattoos all over their bodies, alcoholics, people who have been married three or more times, suicidal people, those who have severe depression, those with severe financial difficulty, and if you’re in a white church – African-Americans, Latinos, or any other ethnic group.

I am afraid that our churches have become safe-havens for the self-righteous.

Our immediate response is, “Well, those people need to repent before they come to Christ.” Friends, our job isn’t the same job as God. God’s job is the work of salvation. Ours is to love and speak truth and show compassion. Salvation is entirely the work of God.

If we really, really believe that God can change a person who is not like us, then we will welcome them into our community of faith and treat them like Christ treated them. With love and compassion. When we rail against any people group with hatred, we’ve lost them. I’m not saying there isn’t sin in this world. There is. But God is judge of what is right. And He is the one who changes hearts.

Our job? Love. Embrace those in this world. Give them space, shelter, love, empathy and maybe for the first time a friendsteps who knows Jesus Christ.

Listen. Go ahead and do your Good Friday reconstruction of Jesus on the cross. Have some forty year old guy stand on some wooden platform for six hours this week. People will drive by on their way home from work, after 40 hours of torture, look up and say, “What in the heck are those people doing?” There’s no message for them there. They are looking for authenticity. They want people who just love them for who they are.

That’s what Christ did. He loved people for who they were. That’s what we are supposed to do. Let God sort it out after that. Our job isn’t to say, “Well, I don’t think that person will fit in here. They don’t dress well, they have personal issues, they sure are strange.” Nope.

You know what happened when Christ loved people? They responded with repentance. He didn’t excuse sin. But he showed them love beyond borders. He showed them something the religious establishment of the day wasn’t giving them. I say that’s what’s going on in the majority of churches today. I pray it isn’t so. But I believe it is.

We are to love. Plain and simple. Get over ourselves. Start loving like Christ did and then turn anyone who comes over to Him and see the miracle He can do.

This is what makes me want to start a church in my own county where anyone who walks through the door is accepted, loved and will be treated kindly. Anyone can come in, know they don’t have to give money, know they will hear the good news, and know that there is hope. May the compassionate Christ resonate during this Resurrection week.

Comments (6)

Thanks for your insightful and well reasoned response to this issue. I pray that God will continue to give you influence as you continue your journey and walk with him. I pray that God will continue to bless your family.

Thanks
Wally

Thanks, Wally. Take care of yourself and thanks for stopping by, friend.

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Great insight and point of view.

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